But if he hasnt mishandled the word if he has merely expressed it faithfully, even if imperfectly we may need to ask God to help us turn off our inner prosecutor and receive with meekness the implanted word (James 1:21). I wonder if the 4 resigning pastors are going to run to the church David Platt is busy destroying? . Dianne and I had exchanged a bit of email correspondence in the past, but this email of mine she shunned. ishy: You couldnt hold normal conversations with them anymore, because they didnt know how to answer in their own words. Just my perspective. Many ritual abuse victims testified to the Royal Commission but the Commission insisted on hearing their testimony in camera and refused to publish their testimonies even when the victims WANTED their testimonies published. Theyre on the opposing team and work for the other guy. They include Rachel Miller, Valerie Hobbs, Ps Sam Powell and Ps Jeff Crippen. As has been reported numerous times on TWW, it is not beyond a New Calvinist to deceive pastor search committees stealth and deception are their modus operandi. I found out from my counselor later that they DID talk to her, and she actually suggested to my husband (whom she was seeing only by my permission) that I might have borderline personality disorder. Pickering said hecouldnttell specifics of other students allegationsbecause of confidentialityconcerns. Anyone else confuse the Orts? Cults always end this way. What a waste. In an email to Pickeringand three other BBC elders, Tabb stated that the investigationdid not find sufficient evidence to corroborate the charge that Naselli has been spiritually abusive . no wonder these men seem to have deserted Christ and made idols of themselves instead. We are not supposed to be preferential to anyone Advocates, rightly call out/expose the harm imposed by Evangelical celebrities. You are always thorough and fair in your critiques and you accept constructive criticism yourself. "There's unethical behavior. That helps fit things into the bigger picture! Caveat: I cant think like these mighty men, and they probably designed the event to reduce congregational input and make this not feel like a bad thing happened. Jason Meyer, John Piper's successor at Bethlehem Baptist Church, has stepped down from his position as pastor for preaching and vision at Bethlehem's downtown campus. I pray for Andy, whom I have known for 20 yrs. This is not me having a self-pity party. Those events will be covered in the next article on this developing story. Looking forward to the next article, hopefully a podcast. But the questions keep coming. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. Some of these students said they reported Nasellis concerning behaviortoDean Brian Tabb, but Tabb did nothing, Pickering said. It is me simply stating the facts as I see them, in the hope that I may prompt some people to reconsider their prejudices. if the other resignees share the same sense of concern for the wellbeing of those still there (and its hard to imagine they dont), to me it seems quite necessary that they speak for themselves and set the record straight. People who speak with presumed authority, but are not receptive to being questioned in my book are not worthy of the authority/respect they presume to be entitled to. +++++++++++++++++++++++++. TWO YEARS after I had left Bethlehem and removed my membership. Deal-breaker for a woman. Andy knows that these students sought out a Bethlehem pastor (though he does not know whom) to share accusations and concerns about him, Tabb wrote. I saw friends and future pastors become acquainted with New Calvinism and be indoctrinated in seminary. I published a four-part critique of his book Is It My Fault?, and I did my level best to let him know about it when I published it. Piper believes in the naked power of the Spirit and the word, not the illustrious trappings of architectural beauty, to change hearts and minds. It was hard to stomach. We cant even do THAT right! Resignations, Turmoil, Continue at Pipers Bethlehem Baptist Church. well, i think the bigger hurdle to overcome would be our contracts. There are no sharing times where folks can just talk it out its all dictatorial management of pulpit over pew there is no participatory involvement in matters like this no Q&A unless it can be a carefully controlled dialogue. We get it. I thought others agreed with me as we talked about taking that approach. Few Joseph Smiths are followed by a Brigham Young who can turn a Personality Cult-centered group into a self-sustaining religious system. The pastors who left mention bullying. so contrived especially for the stale-saltines-plus-stupidity associated with it. What things did he do to disqualify his role in the ministry? https://mobile.twitter.com/johnpiper/status/873970685588246528?lang=en, Is that anything like deep-fried chicken gizzards? Of course, it was in one of the most affluent areas of Atlanta (Buckhead). What applies to members does not often apply to pastors or elders. There are no sharing times where folks can just talk it out its all dictatorial management of pulpit over pew there is no participatory involvement in matters like this no Q&A unless it can be a carefully controlled dialogue. Really, they should not need a whole worship service. I was hoping, Dee, that you would cover this. Naselli did not respond to repeated requests for comment about this incident and others. https://missdaisyflower.wordpress.com/2016/04/21/a-response-to-the-complementarian-the-beauty-of-womanhood-essay-by-abagail-dodds/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ortberg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_C._Ortlund_Jr, https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/, https://mobile.twitter.com/johnpiper/status/873970685588246528?lang=en, https://www.termsofservice.social/p/pastors-what-happened-to-david-platt, https://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2014/april/catalyst-that-fostered-movement.html, https://cryingoutforjustice.blog/2015/05/18/the-good-points-of-is-it-my-fault-by-justin-lindsey-holcomb-book-review-pt-1/, http://thewartburgwatch.com/2021/06/28/part-2-why-i-changed-the-title-of-my-former-post-to-i-still-believe-in-g-r-a-c-e/, http://www2.mnhs.org/library/findaids/00667.xml. I watched it fully. (Is it any wonder the world hates the Church?). If the SBC did something similar, I bet it would be a whitewash and a death by process in a similar way. Why would Lantzer attend Bethlehem knowing their biblical stance. Because they come across as learned and authoritative, what they say sounds good to the undiscerning listener (or the listener with an agenda). Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. The movement: Neo-Cals, authoritarians, dominionism-ists, complementarians , Players: Collaborators, super-collaborators, enforcers, supporters, influencers, profiteers, & then theres Vichy himself , https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/. Headless Unicorn Guy: You are making references I dont understand. Theres a very well done article in Christianity Today published 8/20/21, which gives a much more fair and complete picture of everything thats happened at the church than the coverage which has been posted at this blog. (Later, the Schaeffers hooked-up with the Righteous-Radical-Right & son Frank now fills in the details of that whole deal.) Ken F (aka Tweed): This is interesting David Platt appears to be getting pushback: Bullies, of the religious leader type, crucified Jesus, our Lord. Plus, though Naselli was present at the meeting, the students alleging wrongdoing, were not. AA, Bonfire Books (I love books, mostly the paper kind). Piper is considered as the Father of New Calvinism. Task force members say the church never took any action on the reports findings, in part because some of the 36 white elders on the council complained it was too Marxist and woke. Now, some task force members are among those in the exodus from Bethlehem. According to our constitution, admission to membership and dismissal from membership must be by congregational approval. Thx so much for sharing. Back in the day, I studied at LAbri, Switzerland just before Francis & Edith Schaeffer left (not worked, I studied theres a difference). New Calvinism has left so many folks reeling in confusion and disillusionment with church, in both pulpit and pew. As I see it it leads to fundamentalism, hegemonism and antihumanism. Ministry Watch/Steve Rabey wrote a helpful article: Resignations, Turmoil, Continue at Pipers Bethlehem Baptist Church. Maybe the member$hip should consider what they are $upporting. Bryan is certified in special education K-12, kindergarten through eighth grade elementary, and teacher of students with emotional disabilities. Its not just (mostly) hydrogen gas, but a LOT of gas, that due to gravity, is being crushed. The solution is threefold: repent, believe, and pray. Max: = New Calvinism they dont get any more self-confident and self-important than the elite in this bunch! 2. Whats a lay-member to do when its the PASTOR succumbing to the evils of social media? This is embarrassing. . Or that a lot of Pipers rubbish was just a cover for authoritarianism and misogyny. There are public events/actions here. Which is why victim/survivor witnesses tread carefully in their testimony of truth. Find Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and TikTok profiles, images and more on IDCrawl - free people search website. Ava, Im really old and demented, but I dont get your comment, implying Ive confused the Orts. Bryan Pickering: At Bethlehem . Did these men all resign their membership in the church with approval of the congregation as was demanded of Natalie?!? I was a student at BCS and Naseli was my professor, he was gentle, good-hearted, and cared for his students. Is that anything like deep-fried chicken gizzards? Why cant any of these people tell the congregation what is really going on? +++++++++++++++++. I know I used the correct email address. how pathetic if youve been taught this is simply normal. Prolly all worked when the #1 guru was in place. Piper, who preached at Bethlehem for 32 years, is now pastor emeritus but has no leadership roles at the church. I cant recall cases when any pastor (who left without permission because he was constantly angry and shaking his fists because he lost the place for and the healthy rhythm of grief-filled lament) was brought up before the sheeple for an excommunication vote. When presented with the evidence against Naselli, Pickering said some of the elders were heartbroken. They explain why in this excerpt from an email Chuck Steddom sent me in October of 2017. Lantzer saidthe rest of the call was a blur, but he distinctly remembers Nasellirefusing to take any blame for the altercation and telling Lantzer that his comments weresinful to the core.. 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