Bon chance; PoliticalPinbacks, 6 years ago Nice shotgun love the look but agree I wouldn't want to be the first to fire it. You can tell an unaltered pin-fire by the vertical slot in the breech extending to the top of the barrel (and, of course, the absence of a firing pin). As you can see, it has the same sidelocks. Around the 1880s, Damascus barrels became an object of the past. One of the lesser known of the Belgian handgun makers was Jean Warnant but he was a creative designer and the British Thornton's Patent for a double action revolver lock work was actually originally his idea for which he applied for a patent in Belgium in 1874 and that patent was granted in 1875. Shotgun relicThis is for a early 1900's Belgium made and marked with Royal Gun Works Belgium 16 gauge double barrel shotgun William Moore 7 Co. Greetings Easthampton,I have been researching an old antique pistol that has been in our family for generations.What leads me to your group was the Hits and Misses article posted in 2014; on Deciphering Belgian Proof Marks (my piece has the spelling Belgium). Charlier Ch. If you could find the time to give me a clue what exactly this gun is I would greatly appreciate it.Thanks,John. Double made in the mid 1890's. 7626 Westheimer @ Voss, Houston, Texas 77063. However, there are more proof marks that I cannot find on the internet. Comblain Do check with a gunsmith before you shoot it! Belgian Pinfire. The 16 Gauge sidelock unfortunately was such pitted, that there was only one way to save it. We provide antiqueguns prices and pictures of each antique gun we sell. Any help would be appreciated. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Colette Victor I suspect the gun is a Janssen. Mechanicsburg, PA: Stackpole Books, 2008. You can also browse other antique pistols for sale or additional categories as diverse as Colts, Winchesters, and antique long guns. One of the better known makers of Belgian Guns during the Golden Age of Lige was Jules Bury,arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . L.C. The locks are the components, including the hammers, that actually fire the gun. Thank you Jerry. Stock has an old crack near wedge on left side. Metal has a greying patina. Nessonvaux is short drive outside of Liege. Category: Boxlocks. Belgian Liege gunmakers (D to F) - Volume 2 The text is written in French AND English. All iron construction with skeleton type stock. After 1924 fractions of grams were no longer used 1892 - present 1K355.5 17 Eventually, the company developed the Savage Model 99, a classic hunting rifle the company had produced for nearly 100 years. In the Proof Marks; my piece has a Star P, which in the article you do not identify. The next guns carrying the Browning name were manufactured in Belgium. The Lion Rampant over PV was applied to the Optional Supplementary Smokeless proof for shotguns in 1898. Receiver has approximately 75% original nickel plating. Seller: Jacob Hranowskyj. Handsome English Sidelock double with hammers. Small arms currently in service by national army. The same stamp but smaller is found on Flobert guns, selfloading pistols with a excess proof pressure of 50%, on barrels of top break guns for Flobert or revolvers cartridges an excess pressure of 30% and or revolvers which are proofed with 30-50% excess loads. Browse our collection of pre-1899 antique shotguns below. Burlet I'm a ypunger collector/gun activist. Hammers cock and function properly. Damascus barrels are approximately 30". Engraving on lock and hamer are faint. No maker's name anywhere? Bernard Emile & Cie After investigation of proofmarks I realised it is a Belgium manufacured gun from Liege. )t/!Z $e9]DG=Ljr%@6) 8F&Kx[2l~WY7#|9&~L~G3jjV?~2SN?2&=qb'3d0W>l#G2;/|D)c~liS>2lVbD""L0M7;Q"gd)g"G{\3efBd. Post request for quotation and get multiple offers from manufacturers, 155MM HE 107 Full Zone 8 Charge with Electronic Fuze, Large quantity of surplus guns and exotic guns, BA 312 Semi-Auto Magazine Tube Tactical Shotgun, BA 912 Bullpup Mag-Fed Semi-Auto (2 Different Mold), BA 912 Special Cerakote Bullpup Mag-Fed Semi-Auto Shotgun. Bultot Jean Stevans): cant verify it is Maj. Doan, but on his hip is a pistol, which looks alike a 7 in. Any maker's name on the rib between the barrels?Best,Gerry, 1902 a greener twobarrel it has hh on botten of barrel what do i have. Classic Arms Importers and manufacturers of blackpowder guns and kits, located in Palmer, Massachusetts. Smith & Wesson markets gun accessories, handcuffs, safes, apparel, watches, collectibles, knives, tools, air guns, and myriad other products under its brand name, including cologne, handbags, and washing machines. Belgian Arms cie The family was in the barrel making business from the 1880's until mid the 1960's. http://www.littlegun.be/arme belge/artisans identifies d/a delcour dupont gb.htm This is Jean-Baptiste Delcour-Dupont and his son Oscar, 1924. BY CONFLICT. Area Code: 804. Bernimolin & Cap Length of chamber over diameter of chamber. Browning firearms have been traditionally made in locations world-wide. Thanks Brandon. Breechloaders had existed previously, but Casimir Lefaucheuxs 1835 invention of the pin-fire cartridgea cylinder with a pin extending at right angles to the base which detonated a fulminate charge in the cartridgequickly led to better breechloading systems and to the development first of rimfire and then of centerfire cartridges.Dating pin-fire guns: the 1835 date of Lefaucheuxs invention gives us a convenient terminus a quo: if the pin-fire wasnt invented until 1835, any pin-fire gun cannot be earlier than 1835. Pistol made in Belgium, as you know. Bovy Thodore Joseph Error, no Advert ID set! But despite the history the belgian proof stamps are rather straight forward, normally one can't get more information from the proof more than it has been done if one can't find the inspectors mark. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. 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Thank y'all for your help ahead of time! Judging by the comments that appeared when I Googled "spesco corporation," your guess is on target. On top between the barrels "CANONS ACIER GARANTI". On barrels and actions of smoothbore guns with the gauge size (or nominal bore) plus the shell or cartridge case length. thank you. 8. . Hunting, fishing, cooking, and other critical aspects of life. Collings Hadelin There's no brand name on it (I've been p and down it 100 times) it does say laminated barrel and that's it. He received his technical training in Soest and then in Warstein. Damascus barrels are 29". Weight of proofed barrels, after 1924 fractions of grams no longer used. A handsome side by side. Midway USA sells a CO2 kit to unload both flint and percussion guns.Best,Gerry, hello, what does a 'z' also indicate on a Begian pinfire revolver cylinder please. I can't tell if it was proved for nitro: those have a lion over the PV. All written content, illustrations, and photography are unique to this website (unless where indicated) and not for reuse/reproduction in any form. The famous "hump back" was made in countless configurations and gauges. A number of book by Dr. James Whisker and various co-authors list Amercian makers by specific region. The "D.D. will it take normal 12 gauge shells then? Counet Philippe Copyright 2023 All rights reserved. HI, John. It could be of relatively recent manufacture. I will try to upload a pic if it'll let me. Very good overall condition. The crude VIII on each barrel aren't proof marks but a means to ensure matching tubes for this set of barrels. Right hammer needs repair; left hammer cocks are functions properly. BY TYPE. The 12C in the diamond is the nominal bore diameter - again 12g - but in French - 'calibre 12'. Forearm has a chip. These might cursive as well. Barrel is 27". We don't know a lot about this maker except that he set up shop at 5 Pelham's Lane in Colchester, Essex, from 1901 to 1913. I live in Tennessee and would love help on identifying this gun down to the year and place made. The gun was proofed before 1924. Stocks are good with some field wear. Savage continued to build guns under the A.H. Fox name into the 1940s. in the A to C range of the alphabetical order. Hi, thanks for the info and knowledge you provided. Please - no questions about your old guns. I'm very excited about this gun because I think the serial number is 106. Locks are engraved with scenes of dogs on point. $28,000.00. Butt plate is horn, no cracks. Quite old. Receiver has original case colors in protected areas. The numbers 138 G(looks like a 1) are under the proof mark. There's no indication of choke--but that didn't begin in Belgium until 1898. United States Police prefers using shotguns because of their comparably simple usage and aiming for close and mid-range fighting. Mark for voluntary treble temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels, Mark for voluntary double temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels. arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. Bodson TH. Christophe & Montigny Belgian Liege gunmakers (G to K) - Volume 3 The text is written in French AND English. The book Whatever type of shotgun you want to add to your collection, you can be sure to find just what you're looking for here. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. Bertrand Antoine Rib is marked "Vicente Arizmendi Eibar". Side by side with auto ejectors and single selective trigger. Belgium Belgian Proofmarks Belgian proofs are among the oldest and have a very long history. It's an old Belgian made SXS 12 gauge, marked "Lancaster Arms Co." From doing a little research on the proof marks, I think it was made sometime just pre-WWI. Damascus barrels are 30" and marked "Charles William Richardson A & N CSL London". Hammers cock and function properly. Please have a look around. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Can't help much w/o some photos (send to ghcox3@gmail.com). 1890. Chartier Belgian Liege gunmakers (D to F) - Volume 2. Colt Firearms + 10-14% by piezoelectric transducer measurement. . Hello, I have two ELG 1136 Belgian Percussion Dueling pistols with a 6 inch barrel. they were made + or - 1900 to 1930's. See Kennett's # 2 and # 9 above. It has been just recently released but has received some exposure in the gun blogs. It could be almost anything: an English Greener, which would have Birmingham, England, proof marks, or it could be a double of dubious origin. Assisted opening is offered, as are various rib styles, barrel lengths, chokes, metal finishes, etc. Project Upland. A complete list of suppliers of shotguns. Companies Gun & weapon makers from Belgium Most relevant Alphabetically: A-Z Alphabetically: Z-A We recommend VANHULEN HIGH PRECISION SPRINGS Country: Belgium Type of company: Manufacturer (own production) Established in: 1907 Languages: English, French vanhulen-high-precision-springs Company profile SSA - archery distributor SSA sporting goods NV the provided pictures contain all the markings on the gun . Bury is a typical belgian Boxlock gun in 16/65 with 66 cm barrels and a weight of only 2,6 Kg. Chaineux J. Since it reads >>Made in Belgium<< on the side of the tubes it was made for export. The only other markings I have seen are along the length of thr barrel \ \/ | . Clment Walter The Liege proof house was established in 1672 and it is the oldest European proof house still in operation. Shotgun relicThis is for a early 1900's Belgium made and marked with Royal Gun Works Belgium 16 gauge double barrel shotgun *Belgium Browning A5 Automatic 12 ga. New York: A. S. Barnes, 1961. The "1136" might be the serial number for that pair of pistols. For now, the year of introduction of E.C. Please someone let me know that they know about these Belgian doubles! carefully bound by threads. Today, Belgian firearms designer Francotte builds famed double barreled shotguns and fine rifles. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Then emigrated to Belgium at the end of 1859. Since 1924 used on all rifled arms. Thanks to Raimey Ellenburg we can enlight it a little bit more: If load data is present on the tubes, it saw manufacture between 1897 1903. Bazin F.J. Beau, I need help finding out more about this pistol.. leg in a circle star over the k in 3 places and a crown over jj and the name j. Cueruy and NR under the grip. The Belgian-made Auto-5 gets more accolades, but the Miroku A-5 is the better gun. "Cueruy" could be the maker. 1839. Due to the Bonzon & Arents & Cie 2 On barrel locking system or chamber if the lumps are part of the barrel after final black powder proof, Preliminary proof for unfinished barrels, and indicated barrels had not been weakened after proof by breeching, Used on muzzle loaders, Bore diameter in millimeters. this book online and pay it through Paypal. Colard Louis - Counet Lonard Introduced for handguns in 1894, rifles over 8mm in 1897. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Is there a stamp of LLH on the tubes forward of the flats? Audio Books & Poetry; Computers, Technology and Science; Music, Arts & Culture; News & Public Affairs; . Free shipping for many products! Good overall condition. Each gun maker is presented with the maximum of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most typical pieces . Applied to all gun not made in Belgium but proofed in Belgium. LLH (and other Belgian makers) made the tubes used by most of the U.S. double gun makers 1920s-1940s, with Siemens-Martin or Krupp (by license) steel supplied by Cockerill. It's complete. Any info will help. Email: Info@hlebooks.com Attractive Spanish manufactured side by side shotgun produced in the 1890's. The English Goldsmiths Marks from 1400 to 1900 ~ 11000 Makers Marks and Hallmarks from ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, AND IRELAND ~ RARE Reference Book For Collectors Over 700 pages, Collectors and dealers will by the aid of this work be enabled to locate and fix the date of much English, Scottish and Irish plate, and to identify many marks which have been For information, questions, or comments, call us at (877) 214-9327 or email [emailprotected]. Share to Facebook. By Alain Daubresse. . Arendt Maurice But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. Christophe Louis A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Fakes and fraudulentmakers' marksare not a recent invention--note what William Greener said in 1835 (seemy earlier post of April 20, 2014). Thank y'all again! Antique Shotguns (Pre-1899): Belgian Shotguns, Side by Side Shotguns, Our inventory of antique shotguns is made up of shotguns manufactured before 1899, including English, French, and Belgian shotguns. The other side of the coin is that quality can indeed be there in Belgian guns: The Belgian Browning Superposed were all fine guns, whilefirms like Francotte, Dumoulin, or Lebeau-Courallycould make guns of very high quality indeed. Classic Arms Importers and manufacturers of blackpowder guns and kits, located in Palmer, Massachusetts on! 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