DAVIES: Yeah. People walk around with these frowns and Im like, Why are you frowning? People bring their children in there, and I find myself so caught up in the little kid who gets the piece of paper on the back of his shoe and trying to make his parents aware. And the Bard Prison Initiative has had 600 graduates be released over the last 20 years. What I prize is the education and the knowledge that I received in the process of obtaining that degree. - with, you know, caps and gowns and photos and parents in the audience. Lynn Novick, Sebastian Yoon and Dyjuan Tatro, welcome to FRESH AIR. The documentary prompts viewers to consider the importance of higher education in prison. The series follows the inmates as they give birth and raise their children behind bars. You have this big smile on your face when you're leaving the auditorium and the mess hall. We will continue our conversation after this short break. GROSS: Sebastian Yoon and Dyjuan Tatro earned bachelor's degrees from the Bard Prison Initiative. Ken Burns is executive producer. Let's listen. And, you know, we came to feel that it was important for them to - and they also felt it was important for them to explain themselves, how they see themselves, where they've been, where they are, through the lens of the education that they've been getting and their perspectives that have shifted over time. And they are first eligible for an associate degree, and then if they can that, they can apply to get a bachelor's degree. I had to show my passion. So it has a ripple effect even beyond people applying to just - you know, the facilities where there is higher education have less incidence of violence and disruption and things like that. Adult learners are, you know, much more mature and have life experience. I'm just interested in your perspective on this because I'm just - I imagine that, in a maximum security facility, there are a lot of folks who just didn't have kind of the educational kind of foundation to do college work the way you did, or maybe I'm wrong about that. Our guests are Lynn Novick, who directed the documentary, and Dyjuan Tatro and Sebastian Yoon, two graduates of the program. And so, you know, this experience has not only been personally rewarding and amazing for me. We can remove the first show in the list to add this one. Creating educational opportunities in prison nationwide. They love the Bard Prison Initiative. I have to read a lot for work, so whether its grants or theory-related and I mean, its great reading, but its not like Walter Mosley or some of those things I became fond of. Men and women earn college degrees - and a chance at new beginnings - while incarcerated. YOON: My family has been super supportive of me, as you'll see in the documentary, especially my father. I'm interested in your take on this - whether vocational programs should be there. Ill fix me a scrambled egg with a cinnamon raisin bagel in my toaster. How College in Prison Turns Around Lives and Saves Taxpayers Money, Knowledge & Redemption, A Conversation with Lynn Novick and Jule Hall, Incarcerated People Can Do More than Beat Harvard in a Debate. CAST OF CHARACTERS Im ashamed to say this, but I people-watch. After serving 22 years in prison, he is making up for lost time, with a job at the Ford Foundation, good coffee and a long soak in the tub. Others that have to do, you know, kind of routine prison jobs instead of being in class - was there jealousy or resentment? And today, there are 300 students in six facilities in New York state, mostly men, but there's one facility for women as well. NOVICK: I was just going to chime in one other thing, which is I've heard Dyjuan, Sebastian and the other students, as well as Max, say that, you know, it also just sort of changes the culture of the whole facility and that, you know, there's something positive going on and that people don't want to get in trouble so that they have an opportunity to be there, to stay there and to potentially be involved in the program. A scholar who has taught in prison weighs in on 'College Behind Bars,' which airs Nov. 25 and 26 on PBS. In 2016, BPI was proud to join the first cohort of sites receiving experimental eligibility through Second Chance Pell. DAVIES: Sebastian Yoon, tell us what it was like getting started in these classes. But first, we need you to sign in to PBS using one of the services below. Let's get back to the interview FRESH AIR's Dave Davies recorded with Lynn Novick, director of the new PBS documentary "College Behind Bars," and Sebastian Yoon and Dyjuan Tatro, two graduates of the Bard Prison Initiative. To learn more about the restoration of TAP, read Jessica Neptunes the Director of National Engagement blog post here & Executive Director, Max Kenners, letter to our supporters here. This is five times a day, right? James Wiley committed a heinous crime at 15 years of age. The bipartisan restoration of Pell Grant eligibility to incarcerated students is a clear political endorsement of the value of college-in-prison, signaling to New York that it is past time to also restore TAP. Justice in America Episode 29: Schools in Prison So, to savor this rich, hot drink in my hand is so fabulous with cinnamon, not too much sugar. This can't just be watching movies and talking about it; you have to have a very sophisticated, demanding syllabus and assessments and writing assignments, and the students have to perform at the level that we expect for Bard College. Let's keep the noise down. So I know when I was in college and I was reading Greek tragedy or Shakespeare or, you know, classic texts, it was just an assignment to me. You may change your parameters at any time using the link found at the bottom of every email. The majority were first arrested as minors. PBS is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization. Director Lynn Novick and graduates Sebastian Yoon and Dyjuan Tatro talk about how the program changes lives. And then I saw that it worked. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. College Behind Bars, the four-part documentary about the transformative power of education, premiered nationwide on PBS in November 25, 2019. Colleges or universities partnering in the Consortium. DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR, and we're discussing the new four-part PBS documentary "College Behind Bars." Rodney, Sebastian and Giovannie embark on yearlong senior, The debate union faces Harvard. One of the Bard professors said, you know, I don't have all these multimedia tools that you do in a big institution, but when you're in a class where everybody's done the reading, you don't need them as much. College Behind Bars first premiered Nov. 25, 2019 on PBS and has since then become popular among Netflix audiences. Parts One & Two. GROSS: Tomorrow on FRESH AIR, our guests will be Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch, the former Wall Street Journal reporters who formed Fusion GPS, a private research company. Roberta Shorrock directs the show. Well, you know, for a number of the graduates - and this was true of Sebastian, not Dyjuan - there was this - there's this terrible paradox where, you know, the fact that you are completing your college degree and graduating doesn't mean that you are released from prison. Teaching resources for Meet the cast of Behind Bars: Rookie Year on A&E. Get season by season character and cast bios and more only on A&E. DAVIES: And if you're in class when it's time for a count, what happens? And as I move forward in life and as I work to be a part of this social justice reform movement, I feel very passionate about it and excited that we are going to make progress. They both earned college degrees and are now employed. And I'm back at BPI today as the Government Affairs Officer, expanding - helping to expand access to college and prison through public investments in the work that we do. And because the coffees so bad, we overcompensate with sugar or creamer. Simpson and Fritsch have a new book called "Crime In Progress." So it totally enthralled me and motivated me to go after this education with pure zeal. As you will see in the film, there's tremendous potential among incarcerated people. But as we got to know the students, we began to understand the circumstances of their lives, which, as you say, were complicated, sometimes tragic, often involved exposure to violence and other tragic experiences. Air date: Nov 25, 2019. He started his college education behind bars. In December 2020 Congress finally restored Pell Grant eligibility as part of the omnibus spending and COVID relief bill. And then they're like, strip. Reimagining the place of higher education. Directed by Lynn Novick and produced by Sarah Botstein, College Behind Bars profiles the Bard Prison Initiative, a Bard College program that extends its curriculum and has awarded nearly. Starbucks is a place where people dont notice each other; theyre more focused on their computer or their phone. I'm done. TATRO: Yeah. YOON: Oh. DAVIES: Dyjuan Tatro, what was it like for you? TATRO: You know, one of the great things about, you know, Bard is that it's recognized that it's not enough just to, you know, kind of issue a degree and give someone an education, send them back out into society. And I just want to - after the euphoria of graduation, I mean, you certainly - you know, you had this terrific asset, this college degree that a lot of ex-offenders don't. BPI was proud to partner with College and Community Fellowships #TurnOnTheTapNY campaign to restore access to New Yorks state-level need-based student grants, the Tuition Assistance Program (TAP) for incarcerated students. And I kind of froze in place and just looked around the room and just felt really, really inspired. So I started hanging out in the streets and, you know, I had a crew of boys that I always hung out with. And with time, as we become scholars, the idea that we should be limited to just vocational training just becomes absurd. DAVIES: We're talking about the new PBS documentary "College Behind Bars" with Lynn Novick, who directed the series. YOON: And part of that crime bill, Dave, was comprised - allocating $10 billion to build more prisons, and $10 billion at the time was enough to pay for higher education in prisons for more than 200 years. And when we leave this room tonight, there is now something that can be taken away from you that's completely different than when you walked in. DAVIES: And from the graduation ceremony of the Bard Prison Initiative. This is FRESH AIR. And he said - he says to me, you stood up. The Bard Prison Initiative enrolls over 300 incarcerated students in six New York State prisons. We will continue our conversation after a short break. The faculty generally find this experience so energizing because of that exact thing - that they have to sort of - if they're teaching a course on the Bard campus and in BPI, they actually have to make the BPI version a bit harder, get more assignments and, you know, up the reading because the students are just so eager for the material and expect so much. I had to understand the idea of hubris, and I had to understand the idea of tragedy, and I had to understand these concepts. Meg & Tomas Bergstrand; Regina K. Scully; The Lise Strickler & Mark Gallogly Charitable Fund; a fund at The New York Community Trust; Patty Quillin through the Meadow Fund at Silicon Valley Community Foundation; Barbara & Richard Novick; Chicken & Egg Pictures; The William H. Donner Foundation; Hartley Film Foundation; Bertha Foundation; The Harnisch Foundation; Compton Foundation; and Lisa Philp; and members of The Better Angels Society: This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. What was that time like for you? College-in-prison, which had been common in prisons across the country, collapsed. Virtually none return to prison. Great to have all of you. I want that education. Our associate producer of digital media is Molly Seavey-Nesper. Yoon and Tatro both entered prison as teenagers, and both earned bachelor's degrees in the Bard Prison Initiative. This past is constantly being resurrected. In his senior project, BPI student Rodney Spivey-Jones 17 traces the long history of struggle against anti-Black racism in America. Mostly I stop at Queensbridge Park, but there are times when I ride the bike lane all the way to the end of Astoria. Who among us is capable of academic excellence? YOON: I never stopped being a student. They work in business, the arts, and media; they attend graduate school; they have careers in human services. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. And what the film shows and the work at BPI shows is that that cannot be more untrue. Learn more about Pell restoration on our blog. The recent PBS series, " College Behind Bars ," chronicles Mr. Hall's eventual parole and release in 2015. DYJUAN TATRO: You know, one of the most salient moments for me in my time in BPI is my first time walking in to the Bard library at Eastern Correctional Facility. After the federal Pell ban in 1994, New York implemented a ban on TAP eligibility in 1995. The series College Behind Bars aired on PBS on November 25 and 26 and is now available for free streaming on PBS.org through the end of January. One of the toughest parts of living in Sunnyside, Mr. Hall said, is finding a vacant laundry machine. It raises questions we urgently need to address: What is prison for? TATRO: Sure. BPI alumni overwhelmingly go home to their communities and give back in ways that positively impact the lives of others. You know, that is not the type of thing you expect to be happening in a prison. Born Behind Bars is a documentary series that takes place in a maximum-security prison in Indiana. DAVIES: Yeah. This is FRESH AIR. James Wiley. Josie Duffy Rice and co-host Derecka Purnell are joined by Dyjuan Tatro '18 andReadMore, The Bard Prison Initiative is a revolutionary program that provides a rigorous college education to men and women in prison. The ONLY thing I could find was the recent murder of the pregnant (at the time of filming) CO Breann Leath who apparently . I was - I had to show them that I was smart enough to be part of this group. Thank you so much for speaking with us. It's two different systems, right? DAVIES: Yeah, it was interesting. Ill take care of the preliminaries, brush my teeth, get dressed, and I shoot straight to the Starbucks two blocks away. Skiff Mountain Films 2019 | info@skiffmountainfilms.com You got to go back to your - I guess to your cell - right? However, I think that we also have to realize that we live in a country and we have an economy where the type of work that vocational training used to give you no longer exists. Your purchase supports PBS and helps make our programming possible. Faculty are going to be evaluating what you do as a student, exclusively. And then you address your father directly. All Rights Reserved. You've just tried to add this show to My List. I mean, Dyjuan, I think you had a brother who had been - a younger brother who'd struggled and had been incarcerated at some point. They worked with former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, whose dossier was leaked and published. Max is the founder and executive director of the Bard Prison Initiative, and Rodney received his bachelor's degree from Bard College in 2017 through the Bard Prison Initiative. I worked as a cook. Theres not many bathtubs that can accommodate me, but I have a bathtub that partially can, as long as I put my legs up on the wall. DAVIES: You know, I'd like, Sebastian and Dyjuan, to hear a little bit about how - reconciling with your families. So how long does this take? It took me six years to get from where I was to where Bard was. PBS is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization. Who among us is capable of academic excellence? College Behind Bars is an intimate look at the lives and experiences of a dozen BPI students and their families that confronts and challenges conventional wisdom about the purpose of both education and incarceration. College Behind Bars is directed and produced by Lynn Novick; produced by Sarah Botstein; edited by Tricia Reidy ACE; produced by Salimah El-Amin and Mariah Doran; original music by Jongnic Bontemps; cinematography by Buddy Squires ASC and Nadia Hallgren. College Behind Bars, a four-part documentary film series directed by award-winning filmmaker Lynn Novick, produced by Sarah Botstein, and executive produced by Ken Burns, tells the story of a. You are a prisoner and you are a student," Giovanni Hernandez tells Brut. You may change your parameters at any time using the link found at the bottom of every email. Now, I still havent taken to wine. But I had no life experience to bring to that. Shot over four years in maximum and medium security prisons in New York State, the four-hour film takes viewers on a stark and intimate journey into one of the most pressing issues of our time our failure to provide meaningful rehabilitation for the over two million Americans living behind bars. So the program is 20 years old, and it started small. They study math, as Dyjuan said, languages, history, literature, art, science, philosophy, economics, public policy, you know, public health. I'm going to get emotional. So when we start talking about what is best for people in prisons, Lynn said we should include them in that conversation. TATRO: And, you know, I'll just add that we have been - we have done screenings in prisons from California to Massachusetts. TATRO: No. In four years of study they become scholars, shatter stereotypes, reckon with their pasts, and prepare to return to society. How can we have justice without redemption? You know, it's interesting. How Jule Hall, Graduate of the Bard Prison Initiative, Spends His Sundays, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/nyregion/jule-hall-college-behind-bars-pbs.html. This movement took on renewed urgency following Congresss reinstatement of Pell Grant access to incarcerated students in 2020. Let's listen. What Happens When Incarcerated People Get a World-Class Education? So within the prison context, you know, people know who the guys are in BPI, and they come to us for advice. How much noise is there, and does that make it hard to read, Dyjuan? Sebastian Yoon, your father was in the audience, right? Even after you graduate, as long as you are in a prison in which Bard Prison Initiative operates, you're allowed to take courses. Everyone that we got to know well took full responsibility for what happened and explained the context in which it happened and how they are reckoning with it today. I mean, it's a wide range of liberal arts curriculums. So I grew up in Flushing, Queens. DAVIES: And have you both stayed in touch with folks you knew from the program and helped - people you helped? . That kind of thing. I know it's not love after lockup but I couldn't really find a relevant sub. Celebrating 200+ degrees in six graduations back in person with Congressman Bobby Rush. I just committed a bad act. The type of things that are available to people in prison currently are somewhat outdated. Sebastian Yoon, tell us a little about yourself. There's a lot of interaction with the students, with the professor and with each other, and a tremendous amount learning also goes on outside the classroom. You know, Lynn Novick, I believe this project grew out of your own experience teaching a course, right? But for the men gathered on this October afternoon, it. But I also look at the Manhattan skyline. DAVIES: Wow, that's really remarkable. When Bard Prison Initiative Students Debated Harvard. College Behind Bars is an intimate look at the lives and experiences of a dozen BPI students and their families that confronts . Bad Boys bakery was a social enterprise set up in HM Prison Brixton, in the UK. 27 2023 . And one day, we went to a karaoke bar, and a fight erupted, and somebody ended up losing his life. I mean, you both entered prison as teenagers, right? College Behind Bars, a four-part documentary directed by award-winning filmmaker Lynn Novick takes you on an intimate journey of a dozen BPI students who are earning their college degrees while incarcerated. But I thought what just happened in the auditorium was also reality. And in the context of the '90s and the tough-on-crime rhetoric and the super predator kind of, you know, demonization of people who have been convicted of crimes, as part of the Clinton crime bill, there was an amendment to withdraw eligibility for Pell grants for people who were in prison. I'm Terry Gross. YOON: For me, a liberal arts education cultivated in me conceptual and intellectual openness that invited me to consider worlds outside of my world from different times, thought and space. Part 1: 'No One Ever Taught Me Any of That.'. I thought it was incredibly well done in all ways. Let's start with a clip from the documentary. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. And what this education does is it untaps (ph) that potential. People were invested in this. By creating an account, you acknowledge that PBS may share your information with our member stations and our respective service providers, and that you have read and understand the Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. And Max Kenner, who is the founder and executive director of the program, is welcoming the new students. Use one of the services below to sign in to PBS: You've just tried to add this video to My List. You know, I would go in and do all the work in a day or two, and the expectations were really, really low. DAVIES: There was a time when higher education in correctional facilities was pretty common. This July we saw a major legislative victory in New York, spearheaded by BPI alumni. DAVIES: Lynn Novick, congratulations on the documentary. BPI alumni overwhelmingly go home to their communities and give back in ways that positively impact the lives of others. how to remove headrest chrysler 200; super license points tracker 2022; did bette davis play the piano in deception; fiat ducato motorhome for sale on ebay; where is curly bill buried I go to bed around 9 or 10. GROSS: Lynn Novick speaking with Dave Davies. Kind of how large are the classes? After graduation, there were like, 30, on each side of the shower room just waiting for you. And I'm wondering - I'm going to ask Sebastian. The vast majority of people in this country that are incarcerated are going to be returning to society. Helping prisoners go to college helps New York, Press Release: TURN ON THE TAP NY PRAISES GOVERNOR HOCHUL FOR INCLUDING TUITION ASSISTANCE FOR INCARCERATED NEW YORKERS IN BUDGET, WBAIs On the Count The Prison And Criminal Justice Report, BPI and College Behind Bars in The Appeal, College Behind Bars with Max Kenner and Sebastian Yoon. Sign up for the College Behind Bars newsletter to learn more about the film and events nationwide. At BPI, we are committed to investing in people, reinventing institutions and making genuine education more accessible. BPI transforms wealth, power, and purpose in America by providing full-scholarship, college education in the most unlikely places. Ken Burns is executive producer. NOVICK: Yeah. And, you know, one of the just greatest moments there is that when the BPI students were getting up to walk the stage, the president of the college, Leon Botstein, said - you know, he said these are some of our most distinguished and greatest students, and the whole student body stood and gave us a resounding round of applause. By Megan Heintz. And there's - I'll just let the listeners know there's an emotional moment here where you start to speak of your family, and you have to stop and compose yourself. google mountain view charge cash app; wect news bladen county; college behind bars where are they now; college behind bars where are they now. Men and women seek college degrees - and a chance at redemption - while incarcerated. Get the latest news about BPI and our work. Please consider giving a gift to support BPIs groundbreaking work to redefine college access in America and to counter the harm of mass incarceration. 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